Soft proofing/color gamut changes dont help ???

[jr20516v]

This has me really beat and i dont know what to do next............

I have a taken a "killer" image of a snow volcano at sunrise with the background sunrise colors being profuse pink and yellow. It is a stunning pic.
My problem is this.....when i soft proof the image according to my high streets ICC file it tells me the yellow is out of the color gamut so i have used an adjustment layer to both lessen and enhance the colour. Neither worked in solving the yellow color problem.
I then tried a selective color layer to change the yellow.......the color warning still comes on!!!

I have tried taking the yellow color completely out of the equation however it leaves the image very ordinary......this image is all about the incredible color i was able to capture and i dont really want to compromise otherwise it defeats the purpose.

Where do i go from here....any tips most appreciated?

[OldBoy]

Colour can be a minefield to get right. You might be best servered by sending them a jpeg from the raw file without any colour adjustments at all. This allows them to adjust the colours to produce the best results. Also, when you used their ICC profile to convert the colours it won't be mapped to your colour space on your PC, hence why the colours look wrong. For a monitor to display these colours you need to spend £1,000 plus on the monitor.

[jr20516v]

thx Oldboy for the tips....i'll ask them can they do it from a Jpeg [somehow i dont think they will due to time constraints/costing/time is $$$ etc....and all the other New Age excuses] LOL

[cosmicma]

what colour space have you used ?

most high street printers want Srgb colour space and if your lucky they will cater for adobeRGB which has a wider colour gamut than Srgb

i would give them both and see which is closest ( in jpg or tiff whichever suits )

[jr20516v]

Originally Posted by cosmicma

what colour space have you used ?

most high street printers want Srgb colour space and if your lucky they will cater for adobeRGB which has a wider colour gamut than Srgb

i would give them both and see which is closest ( in jpg or tiff whichever suits )

My highstreet printer ONLY will use Adobe RGB.
I really only get one choice as i am inserting the image into a photobook [total images are finally arranged into a PDF and sent to the printer....each image numbered for the applicable numbered page ]
Thus sending a TIFF and a Jpeg of the same image would confuse the system and would only allow one of them onto the page at the end of the day.

Also of concern....TIFF = 16 BIT [my preferred choice ]
Jpeg =8 BIT

[cosmicma]

Originally Posted by jr20516v

My highstreet printer ONLY will use Adobe RGB.
I really only get one choice as i am inserting the image into a photobook [total images are finally arranged into a PDF and sent to the printer....each image numbered for the applicable numbered page ]
Thus sending a TIFF and a Jpeg of the same image would confuse the system and would only allow one of them onto the page at the end of the day.

Also of concern....TIFF = 16 BIT [my preferred choice ]
Jpeg =8 BIT

i did say JPG OR TIFF not both
you didn't say what profile you are using to edit the image from RAW ( i take it it is a raw file you are editing ? )

if your editing in adobeRGB and the high street printers are printing in adobeRGB there really shouldn't be an issue unless the printers they use cannot print the whole adobeRGB colour space ( which to me seems unlikely )
i take it the icc colour profile file they sent you is adobeRGB ICC ?

if it is there should be no difference as the gamut should be the same regardless of what the icc profile is intended for

it sounds to me as if the icc profile they have sent you is not adobeRGB

a typical print from an image that has an adobeRGB colourspace but printed to a printer expecting a sRGB colour space will look lifeless with all the vibrancy missing and this is obvious in soft proofing or print preview before the image is printed
if you then re edit the raw file ( which has no colour space regardless what is set in the camera until you assign it one in the RAW editor of choice ) with a sRGB colour space the final image will match the preview or soft proof and this tells me there has to be a colour space miss match somewhere along the line

[jr20516v]

Yes, i hear what you are saying :}
ICC file, Adobe RGB....however the Printers inform me that even Adobe RGB cannot print EVERY color known....it is beyond its scope. Oranges and pinks in various forms are two of the more troublesome colors they say. :{
I am having problem with an orangey/yellow color.

[cosmicma]

Originally Posted by jr20516v

Yes, i hear what you are saying :}
ICC file, Adobe RGB....however the Printers inform me that even Adobe RGB cannot print EVERY color known....it is beyond its scope. Oranges and pinks in various forms are two of the more troublesome colors they say. :{
I am having problem with an orangey/yellow color.

the thing is it's not about every colour it's about the colour range within adobeRGB
if you have processed the image using an adobeRGB colour space then the only colours used in the image are from that colour space
if your print house of choice are saying they can print using the adobeRGB colour space i can't see a problem unless there is a colour space mismatch or they cannot print using that profile

or

you are using a different colour profile ( sRGB or wide for instance ) and proofing it with the adobeRGB profile and wondering why you are not getting the same colours you see on screen

i would have a 6x4 print done and see how it turns out and go from there

good luck...

it might help if you explain your processing method from image straight from the memory card to soft proofing so we can get an understanding of how you got to where you are now