What do people think of this

[kerbside]

I'll put my 2p in for what it is worth and just say that if you have no "wonga" then you get no ride, that's how i brought my kids up, to respect your elders and pay your way.

The sooner people realise that you do not get something for nothing the better.

Think that the train guard had no chance of removing him from the train and needed help, just a shame that it was video. Think that the law nowadays does not take common sense into account, not saying that i would of thrown the your guy off the train but think he got what he deserved.

Perhaps he will buy a ticket next time.

[Ashleyj]

Originally Posted by kerbside

...Perhaps he will buy a ticket next time.

Highly unlikely.

In this warped society we live in these days the train company will probably give him a lifetime rail pass just to keep him quiet.

Get rid of this Human Rights Act and bring back national or compulsory community service - a bit of harsh discipline would soon sort them out.

Sometimes I'm relieved to be the age I am and not having too many years left. I hate to think what it will be like in 10-20 years time - total anarchy.

[OldBoy]

Originally Posted by Ashleyj

Sometimes I'm relieved to be the age I am and not having too many years left. I hate to think what it will be like in 10-20 years time - total anarchy.

You fail to understand that most people, regardless of age, are decent and law-abiding and it's only a very very small number who aren't.

[ap4a]

To be honest I'm a little confused why it was felt necessary for a passenger to intervene, placing himself at risk of harm, risk of harming fellow passengers, or of the threat of assault charges. If the conductor, who to be fair was pretty old, was unable to deal with the passenger then he should have called for the assistance of a colleague - after all they were in a station, so the driver could have been called to assist, or a member of the station staff, or as very often happens the train could have been held at the station whilst they waited for the police to arrive.

[Cathus]

I'd have thought that it was fairly obvious, because a whole train full of people were being made late and inconvenienced by this jerk, someone thought the quickest and most helpful solution was to get him off the train so that they could continue their journey.

Of course in hindsight we can all sit back and say, shoulda, woulda, coulda, because we never have to put ourselves in this position. (well, most of us)

[ap4a]

I'd have preferred to wait 10 minutes for police to arrive than what happened. But then I think that a fellow passenger dragging a kid off a train is a bit heavy handed when all he was guilty of was swearing, and allegedly fare dodging.

There were people with the appropriate authority around. They should have dealt with it IMO.

And given that you're alluding to having been a serving police officer I've got to admit to being especially surprised at your stance on the subject. Most police officers I know would prefer to have passengers not risk creating a more dangerous situation in packed train.

[OldBoy]

Originally Posted by ap4a

To be honest I'm a little confused why it was felt necessary for a passenger to intervene, placing himself at risk of harm, risk of harming fellow passengers, or of the threat of assault charges. If the conductor, who to be fair was pretty old, was unable to deal with the passenger then he should have called for the assistance of a colleague - after all they were in a station, so the driver could have been called to assist, or a member of the station staff, or as very often happens the train could have been held at the station whilst they waited for the police to arrive.

That's why society is the way it is. Not enough people willing to step in and say enough is enough.

Originally Posted by ap4a

I'd have preferred to wait 10 minutes for police to arrive than what happened. But then I think that a fellow passenger dragging a kid off a train is a bit heavy handed when all he was guilty of was swearing, and allegedly fare dodging.

There were people with the appropriate authority around. They should have dealt with it IMO.

And given that you're alluding to having been a serving police officer I've got to admit to being especially surprised at your stance on the subject. Most police officers I know would prefer to have passengers not risk creating a more dangerous situation in packed train.

The point is, he didn't show respect to the conductor, why should any passengers show him respect? If I had been on that train then I would have done the same. Hopefully, he might have learned to respect people in future.

[ap4a]

I don't think that's the point. I think the point is that so many people think that society would be better if all the big people went around beating up smaller people for swearing.

Don't confuse stepping in to help someone who is being mugged, or raped, or otherwise physically assaulted as being the same as physically assaulting someone who is a bit disrespectful.

[Beers]

@ Cathus he is not a Firefighter he is an accountant and he works in the same office building as my daughter.

@ ap4a you could say that he was verbally abusing the train conductor and so what gives him the right to hurl abuse at the conductor if he was giving me verbal abuse he would have gotten a glasgow kiss ant thrown off

[ap4a]

Originally Posted by Beers

@ ap4a you could say that he was verbally abusing the train conductor and so what gives him the right to hurl abuse at the conductor if he was giving me verbal abuse he would have gotten a glasgow kiss ant thrown off

Thanks for emphasising my point

And I'll leave my part in the topic there.