1D mark IV

[flake]

Well the current 1Ds is listed at nearly £8K (ouch) although once discount has been applied you can have one for the more reasonable price of £4.5K round about half the list price. Seeing as the 1D MkIII was selling at £2600 I think you'll soon find one for a similar amount.

It's about the same with Nikons D3s which Jessops are selling (taking pre orders) for £4200 the previous D3 is £2800

[OldBoy]

Originally Posted by flake

Well the current 1Ds is listed at nearly £8K (ouch) although once discount has been applied you can have one for the more reasonable price of £4.5K round about half the list price. Seeing as the 1D MkIII was selling at £2600 I think you'll soon find one for a similar amount.

It's about the same with Nikons D3s which Jessops are selling (taking pre orders) for £4200 the previous D3 is £2800

On Jessops website the D3 is listed as £3,149 but I have seen a second-hand one at £2,800 in Jessops Birmingham.

[khorn]

I have a question that may sound a little stupid, but I've been told that you can crop pictures more (retain quality) on a full-frame camera vs. a crop camera. Is this true?

[flake]

Originally Posted by khorn

I have a question that may sound a little stupid, but I've been told that you can crop pictures more (retain quality) on a full-frame camera vs. a crop camera. Is this true?

Unfortunately not, although I think what the person who told you this might be meaning is that the higher dixel density on some crop sensors means that for the same focal length lens will produce a larger file than a FF cropped to the same size however if the field of view effect is removed by using an equivalent focal length (i.e. 100mm & 160mm) the image captured would be the same and thereforethe sensor with the highest MP count would produce the larger image file.

So it's more a feature of the FOV on a sensor which is already cropped. Of course if you have to crop the FF image to match that of the crop sensor the pixel count will decrease, and that might be what you've been told?

[jaimesommers]

I want one, but I want full frame with everything this has

[flake]

then wait for the 1Ds model which will be FF with an estimated 39MP Just make sure that you have the £6K you'll need to buy it!

But why do you want FF? it's not an advantage on a camera like this, in fact it's a disadvantage which is why Canon used APS-H. Better depth of field, FOV multiplication factor, etc makes it better for sports, wildlife and general commercial use.

[Stormsong]

Have a look at the London Camera Exchange website for used (but in good nick) cameras and lenses - Jessop's I find is not competitively priced . . .

[anglefire]

Originally Posted by flake

then wait for the 1Ds model which will be FF with an estimated 39MP Just make sure that you have the £6K you'll need to buy it!

But why do you want FF? it's not an advantage on a camera like this, in fact it's a disadvantage which is why Canon used APS-H. Better depth of field, FOV multiplication factor, etc makes it better for sports, wildlife and general commercial use.

Rumour has it that the IV is the last APS-H camera - though that was said with the III too.

I actually like the 1.3 crop as it is a good compromise, only really being an issue at extreme wide angles.

But I also like my 5D - FF can't be beaten when it comes to shallow DOF shots or wides., Just has a look about it that seems to be not achievable with the crop cameras.

But sports and wildlife, crop is considered the way to go.

[chris-p]

Originally Posted by anglefire

Just has a look about it that seems to be not achievable with the crop cameras

It's odd but it's true. Even with the same FOV (ie 20mm on FF or 12.5mm on 1.6x) the FF models seem to look different. I don't quite know why - I suppose it could be to do with perspective of the slilghtly longer focal length on FF.