UK uprising next?

[ABERS]

Didn't Gandhi get it right? There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Whoever wins in any of the Middle Eastern countries nothing will change much, the same old system of corruption will continue.

[pburness]

Originally Posted by donoreo

Did you not have a chance to do something just last year....it is called a fair democratic election?

It's not fair or particularly democratic - it's first past the post.

It's not democratic because the ruling party does not necessarily hold the majority of the votes.

It's not fair because the boundaries for the seats that make up the running are managed to include / exclude certain pockets of the population.

It's not even effective as every decision is based around cost and not value..

Phil

[amk1977]

Its hardly fair, for the reasons Phil laid out above but also, it doesn't matter if you vote for the Labour Party, Conservative Party or Liberal Democrat Party because, they all make up the Big Government Party. They represent big business and further EU intergration. Their loyalties lie with those that make party political donations or can get a cushy job with once out of office. They certainly don't lie with the British taxpayer.

We have the illiusion of democracy and each time we vote out the old for bunch of cronies for selling this country further down the river or running it half into the ground, we think we are getting something different. As has been said previously, its just a case of "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

They are also elected on the promises laid out in their manefestos, most of which are never held true. Whatever way you look at it, its fraud. Once the leeches are elected, they abandon their pre-election promises, pick up the baton from the previous runners and carry on with their agenda.

As for uprisings in the UK, I can't see it happening, at least not yet. All the while that reality TV, sports and soap operas are more important to people than politics, governments and those that control governments will continue to gut this nation and rob its people. It won't be until disposable incomes become virtually non existant, that people will take to the streets in protest. Whether the governments will listen or not, is another matter.

Over 1 million people took to the streets of London to protest the Iraq War. An illegal invasion and occupation that has claimed the lives of over 1 millioin Iraqis. It has been known for years that this war is illegal and yet neither Brown nor Cameron has made any attempt to bring our troops home. Aside from the cost of human lives, the financial cost to the UK taxpayer of both the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions as of June 2010 is £20.34 billion!

We have no money for education, welfare, NHS and even drugs for cancer patients, yet the government can find £20 billion (that's on top of the annual £35 billion budget) to shoot, shell and bomb other nations back to the stone age. All on the basis of a "sexed up dossier". For every 10 people killed by allied forces, 9 are civillians. But that's just "collateral damage" and apparently acceptable. To add insult to injury, Tony Blair was made Middle East Envoy in 2007!

What we are seeing now, in terms of austerity measures, is just the tip of the iceberg. Once the 20% VAT really starts biting into sales figues, plus the billions of pounds worth of new red tape for businesses that was recently introduce finally take hold, you are going to witness some ugly sights in this country. In the meantime, there's plenty of mindnumbing crap for the masses to watch in high definition on TV

[dan123]

i predict a riot, so lets give em one,

i just love the fact that when studnets prtested against tuition fee rises, we were classed as 'thuggish yobs', fair describption, but cameron said that the egyptain roits were needed and the people were allowed to speak their voice and such like, students were condemed for voicing our views, where as eygypians was prasied,im not saying tis the same but still,, , errrrrr one rule for some, and another for the rest,
Cameron and 'tea boy' clegg need to rethink some of the things they suggest and say,
ohwelll this is our government and were stuck with them.................. for now,

[amk1977]

Originally Posted by dan123

i predict a riot, so lets give em one,

i just love the fact that when studnets prtested against tuition fee rises, we were classed as 'thuggish yobs', fair describption, but cameron said that the egyptain roits were needed and the people were allowed to speak their voice and such like, students were condemed for voicing our views, where as eygypians was prasied,im not saying tis the same but still,, , errrrrr one rule for some, and another for the rest,
Cameron and 'tea boy' clegg need to rethink some of the things they suggest and say,
ohwelll this is our government and were stuck with them.................. for now,

The IRA were terrorists when it suited the British Government. They then magically transformed from terrorists to "freedom fighters", when the politics dictated. A much gentler and digestible title, to alter the public's perception.

To the Palestinian people fighting the illegal 30 year Israeli occupation, Hezbollah are freedom fighters. Yet in the West, those same people are labelled terrorists by governments and the media. George Galloway highlighted the hypocracy of this beautifully, when he tore into the presenter and her rhetoric on Sky news back in 2006.

In short, branding by a government of a people is essential for pursing the agendas of the day.

[Markulous]

"The chickens are coming home to roost" (except we can't afford chicken, it'll have to be rat!)

Let's face it, we've been leading up to this for decades....... and had it good for decades! And now things are getting a bit tough we're all going to whine about it - and, whilst others are dying on the streets as they've genuine grievances against their oppressive regimes, we'll change channels on our new HD TV. "Hey, look, I can get 100 channels on my satellite - but oh, dear, they've upped the price and it'll cost more than the £600/year I'm paying now"

You think things are bad now? Wake up and smell the coffee, people (except use chicory instead as coffee'll be too expensive). Just wait until food genuinely starts getting expensive (it's been getting cheaper for years - but now countries are buying vast tracts of land in other countries in order to secure their foodstuff), fuel shoots up in price (due to us pi55ing away North Sea oil on getting everything cheaper - and the Middle East unrest spreads) and emigration becomes a mass migration and invasion!

The iPad generation are going to have to learn to use paper pads (except paper will be too expensive so use re-useable slates instead), tins cans and string will return to replace mobiles, horsemeat will become the new sunday roast (and this is being seriously discussed as we've a glut of horses!) but banks will continue to make record profits (at the expense of the few who've any money!)

Some or all of this will come to pass - and then you can vote me in as the new Messiah - and I'll declare martial law and return the country to the Stone Age (except we've quarried out all our stone so it'll have to be the Dirt With Little Pebbles Age)

[KeithT]

Originally Posted by karenoliver

All these different countries and their people are getting the courage to rise up and make themselves known. Are we next? So many cuts are going to come into place and there are lots of Brits at the moment up in arms over one thing or another. Does anyone think we could end up like Egypt, Bahrain, Tunisia etc...

I am so mad about some of the things this government will bring in and can't even watch Cameron without wanting to give him a shake, and I never usually feel this way about politics. And don't mention Clegg!!

Karen

We are all suffering now for the greed of bankers and encouragement by the last Government for allowing them a free reign to do what they wanted. Why do people forget that they were just as much to blame for the country's economic downfall, by spending far too heavily on their credit cards without giving a thought to the future, and running up thousands of pounds worth of debt that they knew would be impossible to pay back if a push came to a shove. Everyone was boasting and living it up when things were on the other foot, and it was sickening to hear them boast around the dinner table at just how much they had made on their property in a week. And really, most couldn't give a toss that many young people trying hard to get on the property ladder never stood a chance because of it. Well, they are not so cockey about it all now are they? The grin has been wiped from their faces. So don't blame this Government for trying to put thing back into perspective. Everyone had a share in making the problems we are now faced with, and everyone has to pay their corner to put it right. I don't remember anyone crying in their beer when money was easy to get and they could have half a dozen credit cards on the go. So, like everyone else is doing now, just grin and bear it for the sake of our children, grand children, and their children to come.

[amk1977]

But the thing is Keith, the system is inherently flawed by design and the only ones who are not suffering are the banks and those that own them.

The governement is not trying to put things back into perspective because it is complicit in the corrupt scheme that is fractional reserve banking. If the government were working towards addressing the issues we face, it would be dealing with the financial system. I'm not talking about banker bonuses and the futures market (although that is nothing short of gambling with peoples' money). Our system of money is one of enslavement, yet because people have grown up with it, they accept it as the norm or are too bamboozled by it and lose interest any many are just apathetic to it all.

We keep hearing the buzz words "reducing the deficit" and that is all that people are focusing on. Its like a straw man argument though. Banks create money out of thin air and enter it onto a computer. The vast majority of it isn't even printed. To give you some idea, 93% of all the money in the US, doesn't exist outside of a digital format. It is then lent with interest so that commerce can take place but, money created by central banks that charge interest can NEVER be repaid because there will only ever be enough money to pay the principal of the loan. The money to repay the interest has to come from the central bank, which as stated above, is lent with interest. Its a black hole that gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

As for blaming everyone with a credit card, a great many people in this country live below the bread line. They cannot afford to make ends meet and so are forced to use credit cards to get by. The reason why people cannot afford to make ends meet, is inflation, which is again inherently built in to the fractional reserve banking system. Unless there is equal growth in productivity and demand for goods and services, increasing the money supply only devalues it. This means that a can of beans that once cost 50p, now costs 75p and so on. Inflation is a hidden tax that affects the poorest members of our society.

People are up in arms about the NHS, Welfare, Service cuts, sale of our woodlands and they should be but, they are all like secondary tumours that are causing people great alarm. They are symptoms caused by an underlying cancer. That cancer is fractional reserve banking. No amounts of austerity measures are going to solve this problem. It will be just papering over the cracks until the next financial collapse, although I suspect the elite will get through the global currency that they have been calling for and global government will follow suit.

Out of creating something from nothing banks obtain tangible assets. In the past, banks have sent "economic hitmen" into 3rd world countries with loans to help them develop their countries. Then the banks would hike the interest rates. The countries couldn't afford to repay and so after austerity measures inflicted upon the peoples of the nation by the government failed, the banks seized land. The World Bank owns the Amazon Basin, the biggest source of natural resources on earth. Gee, I wonder why they accepted that as collateral for a loan that materialized out of thin air?

Another example is Goldman Sach's - the revolving door between one of the biggest international banks and the US treasury department. They did the exact same thing to Greece. Greece defaulted on the loan and Goldman Sach's wanted one of their islands as colleratal. Subsequently, Greece is now having daily riots due to austerity measures and had to be bailed out by the EU, further indebting the European nations.

Unfortnately the overwhelming majority of the population of this earth are completely ignorant to the scam that is fractional reserve banking. All we see is the real world symptoms of it. People losing their homes. People dying painful deaths in hospitals because their is no money to treat them. People starving to death in foreign lands because the vast majoirty of their nations resources and taxes go to paying banks, rather than improving their society. People slaughtered in wars, that the banks fund both sides in because either way, they make money. Needless suffering caused by one system developed by some of the most evil and sinister people to walk the face of this earth.

I don't hold out much hope for this world because unless their is a mass awakening and realization of how this world works and who controls it, we will be hopelessly enslaved.

[karenoliver]

Originally Posted by dan123

i predict a riot, so lets give em one,

i just love the fact that when studnets prtested against tuition fee rises, we were classed as 'thuggish yobs', fair describption, but cameron said that the egyptain roits were needed and the people were allowed to speak their voice and such like, students were condemed for voicing our views, where as eygypians was prasied,im not saying tis the same but still,, , errrrrr one rule for some, and another for the rest,
Cameron and 'tea boy' clegg need to rethink some of the things they suggest and say,
ohwelll this is our government and were stuck with them.................. for now,

I agreed totally with the student protests but think the only thing that let them down were people like that lad who threw an extinguisher off the roof. I actually found it mildly amusing that the royals got caught up in it. Not because I wished them harm but because it showed how stupid those in control were by not forseeing the dangers! Who in their right mind would allow them to drive smack bang into the middle of student protests!

Karen

[karenoliver]

Originally Posted by KeithT

We are all suffering now for the greed of bankers and encouragement by the last Government for allowing them a free reign to do what they wanted. Why do people forget that they were just as much to blame for the country's economic downfall, by spending far too heavily on their credit cards without giving a thought to the future, and running up thousands of pounds worth of debt that they knew would be impossible to pay back if a push came to a shove. Everyone was boasting and living it up when things were on the other foot, and it was sickening to hear them boast around the dinner table at just how much they had made on their property in a week. And really, most couldn't give a toss that many young people trying hard to get on the property ladder never stood a chance because of it. Well, they are not so cockey about it all now are they? The grin has been wiped from their faces. So don't blame this Government for trying to put thing back into perspective. Everyone had a share in making the problems we are now faced with, and everyone has to pay their corner to put it right. I don't remember anyone crying in their beer when money was easy to get and they could have half a dozen credit cards on the go. So, like everyone else is doing now, just grin and bear it for the sake of our children, grand children, and their children to come.

One of the main reasons I have always refused a credit card is I know if I had one I'd be too tempted to run up a massive bill and buy all the photography equipment I needed! :-)
Despite the financial crisis though and the fact I've always turned them down my bank still tries to get me to take one on! The thing I really hate though is the spread of these ' gold for cash' shops that are turning up everywhere, just feeding off people's bad luck or financial worries.

Karen