Copyright issues

[Foxfire]

I have a real problem with the total exclusive copyright "Future" the company who owns this websites includes in its terms and conditions.

It goes beyond the right to publish on this website, because it allows FUTURE totally ROYALTY FREE use of all images, text videos on a worldwide basis to anyone and for any use.

Therefore permits "FUTURE" to sell your images without paying bean to you.

This outrageous habit must be stopped now.

If FUTURE had honest intentions, they would not just make members aware of the dangers that there images maybe used for the benefit and gain of "FUTURE" without limitations in the complex "Terms and conditions, but make them aware in big bold letters before they upload any pictures, images, etc.

Here is the offending copyright RIP OFF

QUOTE FROM: TERMS AND CONDITIONS

"If you upload, post or otherwise transmit any Content to the Website, you automatically: (a) grant other users of the Website and the Website Service the right to access the same and use it in accordance with these Terms, and (b) grant Future and its group companies a non-exclusive, royalty free, sub-licensable, perpetual, world-wide licence to use, modify, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute such Content: (i) on and through the Website and the Website Service; and (ii) in any other form or medium (including but not limited to other Future publications) provided that We have obtained your prior permission to do so. You continue to own the Content after it is posted to the Website."

[DaveGibson]

"provided that We have obtained your prior permission to do so"

If you don't give them your prior permission then they cannot do anything with your photo!

[PhilipSherlock]

Yes but does "provided that We have obtained your prior permission to do so" only apply to sub-clause (ii) or section (b) or what? You won't catch me putting any of my pics on this site unless they clarify their copyright claims to my liking.

[Amy Davies]

This issue has already been covered in these threads:

http://beta.photoradar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18

http://beta.photoradar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=176

Thanks.

[Foxfire]

Originally Posted by DaveGibson

"provided that We have obtained your prior permission to do so"

If you don't give them your prior permission then they cannot do anything with your photo!

I am afraid you did this when you signed in. So from now on they can take your images and do with them what they like. You well, if you are lucky you may get your name mentioned, but they do not even have to do that under this clause in their Terms and Conditions

[Amy Davies]

This issue has been addressed in the other threads, and what you are saying Foxfire is not the case.

Future would only use your image in any of its publications once it had to prior permission from you. Any royalties we received would be passed on to you.

Amy

[DaveGibson]

No disresepect to anyone guys, but i think people are getting a bit too paranoid about this issue.

Originally Posted by DaveGibson

No disresepect to anyone guys, but i think people are getting a bit too paranoid about this issue.

Yeah I often get told that.

Here's a scenario.

You want to use a locker at a station (remember those?) to keep your luggage in. The form you fill out says the company can open it and take any cash they like out of your wallet "as long as you're happy with that". Sign here to indicate your agreement.

You query it. They say "ah, don't worry, of course we wouldn't take your money".

Would you use the locker? Or would you look for one that doesn't have such outrageous T&Cs even though they say they will never use them?

If you don't want something why would you insist on it and duck behind "company policy" when people question it? What happens when the locker guard is replaced by a new one who goes "huh, you mean we can rob the money and nobody can do anything?"

Why (and this one baffles me) are T&Cs not edited by the Plain English Campaign to make sure they say what you mean in a way that people can understand them? Cost would be an astronomical £53 for about 500 words. Because lots of people think that confusing things are confusing for a reason.

[Darren1978]

Originally Posted by JonathanRyan

Why (and this one baffles me) are T&Cs not edited by the Plain English Campaign to make sure they say what you mean in a way that people can understand them? Cost would be an astronomical £53 for about 500 words. Because lots of people think that confusing things are confusing for a reason.

Completely agree with what you say hear Jonathan. Unless you are a legal bod or someone who has the time to sit down and work out exactly what has been written, the contents of the T&Cs are totally mind baffling and confusing to the extent that the 'ordinary' guy or gal does not have a clue what they are signing up for and possibly what they are giving away.

You last sentence is also spot on. I tend to think that if people are trying to say things in a confusing manner, then they are generally trying to hide something from you.

A plain, simple English set of T&Cs which everyone will understand would clear up a lot of issues about what people are signing up to.

[ABERS]

Originally Posted by JonathanRyan

Because lots of people think that confusing things are confusing for a reason.

Very succinctly put Jonathan I'm with you on that one.

We are told the site is maintained by advertisers and sponsors, so why have these clauses in the T&C's. Is it because any additional income would be a bonus?

The "we wouldn't do it without your permission" statement is a little thin, how do you know your image hasn't been used somewhere within the Future group. Do you read everyone of their publications?

I was looking forward to maintining a small gallery on Photoradar but I'm afraid that won't be happening, my loss, no-one else's.