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Old 10-08-11, 09:54 PM
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buying second hand advice

I would love a nikon D90 /canon/good camera but would have to buy second hand so i need advice please.
What do i need to look for?
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Old 10-08-11, 10:20 PM
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Hi Eysha,

Things to look for initially would be the exterior of the camera. Ensure that the LCD screen, buttons and features are all in good working order. Look for obvious signs of damage, as this may be evidence of the camera having been dropped at some point. Some marks are purely cosmetic and will not affect the performance of the camera.

Next I would look at how many shutter actuations there have been on the camera. For example, I think the D90 is good up to 150'000 shots before the shutter mechanism will probably need replacing. I have around 6000 on my D90, so plenty of life left in the old girl yet.

Buying anything secondhand though, means that you have no guarantees. Even the most well maintained camera could fail, through no fault of the previous owner. You can get second hand equipment from retailers which often give you a guarantee, albeit it 3-6 months. Obviously, you'll pay more retail than you would off ebay.

Personally, I think that would be your best bet. Look on eBay for camera bodies. Check the vendor feedback score and try and get something within your budget. Some sellers will let you come round to view the item prior to purchase, or at least take numerous pictures of the camera from all angles, give a thoroughly detailed description, as well as pictures taken with it.

My first DSLR came from Ebay and a later sold it on eBay after being bought a D90 brand new. There are a lot of bargains to be had on there.
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Old 11-08-11, 11:16 AM
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Thanks amk1977, i will write down the points you make to look for in case i get to go somewhere to look at them.
How would i know which models have what number of shutter speed actuations?
I think i am leaning to the Nikon D90 or a Canon but i am open to suggestions as i am new to photography really and buying a DSLR is a nightmare as there is so much on the market.
I can add that whatever i buy it has to last as i wouldn't be able to afford to upgrade or buy another camera so have to be very careful.
Any suggest ons would be great.
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Old 11-08-11, 11:56 AM
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Quick look at prices on ebay the body are going for £400. You can buy new for £530 with a 2 year warranty . If you have got the money you haven't got the money. But if you can get the extra £100ish go new. If you are going new check the d5100 out also its the same price but has a better newer sensor. In the test below the d5100 comes in 4th for dynamic range 14th for iso performance this is out of every camera on the market only cameras above it are full frame cameras. It comes in 1st for al aps-c sensor cameras. It looks to be a bit of a bargain. Needless to say the d5100 is my next camera only a few weeks until i have the money!

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cam...Camera-Sensors

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Old 11-08-11, 12:48 PM
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Thanks but you lost me a bit being new. what is aps c-sensor? What do you have now and why do you want to change to this one - as in the differences? and why Canon and not say Nikon or Olympus etc?
For the difference i agree about buying new but what about the extras, as in cost?
I have an old film Canon with a sigma lens so i guess i could sue that - 18-55mm i think but what else would i need to consider buying at the least?
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Old 11-08-11, 01:04 PM
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I'm sorry d5100 is another nikon. It has a new generation of sensor than the one used in the d90. This new sensor is very very good. The sensor is a aps-c size sensor which you will find in all dslr cameras except the pro cameras which use full frame sensor which usually cost £1500 up. Dxo test all cameras and the results show the d5100 and its more expensive brother d7000 which share the same sensor come up 1st place beating every other brand up to pro level. You would basically need to pay £1500 to get better image quality than the nikon d5100 which at £530 for the body is a bargain. Camera tech moves fast i'm not sure its a good investment buying used. People are normally selling them to get the newer version with a better sensor.
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Old 11-08-11, 05:38 PM
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No problem, Nikon is fine. I agree about buying new but as i asked, what about all the other extra costs? for example what do lenses cost? i have none so would have to add all that on, batteies etc it all adds up.
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Old 11-08-11, 06:02 PM
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Hi Eysha,

As mentioned above, IF you can afford to buy new, then do so, as you have the guarantee on it, that should anything go wrong, then it will be replaced under warranty.

The main thing to watch with the different Nikon camera bodies is that some have focus motors and some don't. The ones that do can use the older and still excellent AF-D type lenses in autofocus mode. Those that don't will only autofocus with the newer AF-S lenses, which have the motors in the lens itself. Its swings and roundabouts. The bodies that don't have the focus motors are cheaper but, the AF-S lenses are more expensive than their older AF-D counterparts. Then again, a lot of the AF-S lenses have the VR (Vibration Reduction) feature in the lenses too. AF-D lenses don't.

You can of course use older manual focus lenses like the Ai/Ai-s lenses. Unfortunately these won't meter on the D90 (camera won't be able to tell what aperture the lens is at and what shutter speed to use), so you have to use it in full manual mode, choosing your own shutter speed on the camera body, and manually turning the aperture dial on the lens, to stop it down. For action shots, this obviously would be a real pain in the bum, as not only would you need to continually adjust your focus but, you also would need to change the shutter speed/aperture to get a correctly exposed image. Not impossible to do but, certainly a lot more difficult to achieve. For still life, portraiture and landscapes, this isn't a problem as you can just fiddle with the settings until you have a correctly exposed photo.

Depending on what your photography is going to primarily be, will determine ultimately, what lenses and camera body you would ideally require. Prices vary greatly for lenses. You can use old 3rd party lenses via and adapter for very cheaply, sometimes £20-30 (M42 mount to Nikon adapter). These would be used in full manual mode, in terms of focusing, aperture and shutter speed. Kit lenses like the 18-55mm VR can be had for around £70-80 on eBay. The 55-200mm VR around £110 and the 50mm F/1.8D for about £80.

More specialized lenses like macro lenses, super wide angles and super telephotos tend to be much more expensive. Also the wider the aperture the lens can use, the more expensive they are. For example, Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D is about £110 brand new. The f/1.4D version is about double the price, as it is a "faster lens". IE, its maximum aperture will let more light in, enabling you to use a faster shutter speed. It also has a shallower depth of field.

Batteries can be quite expensive for genuine Nikon ones but, you can use 3rd party lenses which are much cheaper and to be honest, just as good. Provided you don't go for the really cheapy ones, you should be fine. You can pick up decent 3rd party batteries for around the £15 mark. Memory cards can be had quite cheaply too. I wouldn't bother going above 4gb. Its far better to have 2 x 4gb cards, rather than 1x8gb. If you are shooting all day and the the card fails, you've lost everything on the single 8gb card. If your images are spread over 2 x 4gb cards, then at least you still have half the photographs.

If you can suggest what type of photography you are interested in, then people can recommend lenses for you and explain the pros and cons of body/lens combinations.
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Old 12-08-11, 03:18 PM
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Many thanks amk for all that information and the time you spent too, i really appreciate it all.
There is a lot to take in so i need to mull all this over and make a lot of decisions before i ask more questions i think.
As to what type of photography i am untested in i have to say the same as my artwork, in short everything so i may have to limit myself there. Many thanks again.
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