EXIF info getting ommited

[yeomanss]

i dont know if anyone else has had this but when i view a picture in the POTY i allways click the EXIF data to see how the phtographer has approched this and twice now the EXIF data has been ommited and i have voted for the picture instead ,i think this is getting false votes and not fair .anyone else had this prob and dont you think POTY should make this mandatory that all pictures shoul have this info ?

[OldBoy]

I guess they used Save for Web option in Photoshop which, strips this infomation out.

Not sure the Exif infomation makes any difference to the quality of the photo, as it's the final picture that we judge it on.

If it's selected as a winning shot then, this infomation has to be uploaded with the full size image.

[yeomanss]

i was just pointing out that if there is no EXIF data then the buttons on the bottom of the picture get moved along one spot and if your not looking the vote button gets clicked instead of the non exsistant EXIF button, i think i must me the only one that has this problem and it makes a differance to me cos it telles me how the camera was used ,not a prob

[Markulous]

If anyone wants to know EXIF on my images they only need to ask - I always strip all out (apart from copyright info that most readers don't even read anyway!). It's mainly a habit from the days when data was a significant proportion of the web image. Nowadays with larger pics it's probably not entirely necessary

[grahamhgraham]

I deliberately exlude all the EXIF info because its usually useless info anyway.

For example, it cannot explain my decision to photograph a subject or why I decided to record it at a particular time or under specific conditions, nor does it express my thinking when I composed the shot.

It also fails to explain how I processed the image or why I chose a particular look for the photo. I may have converted it to B&W for a look I was after but of course the viewer can already see the outcome of that decision.

I've never looked at any EXIF data from any image and was able to use it for anything useful, especially when it came to deciding what & how to shot an image.

Ultimately, the only thing that matters to me is the visual impact from an image I have taken or from one taken by somebody else. I couldn't care less what f number was used or how long it took to expose the scene.

Of course, some will be totally absorbed by EXIF data as if it will lead one to a higher level of enlightenment. If I want to get excited by numbers, I'll take another peek at my paystub.

G2

[OldBoy]

Originally Posted by grahamhgraham

I deliberately exlude all the EXIF info because its usually useless info anyway.

For example, it cannot explain my decision to photograph a subject or why I decided to record it at a particular time or under specific conditions, nor does it express my thinking when I composed the shot.

It also fails to explain how I processed the image or why I chose a particular look for the photo. I may have converted it to B&W for a look I was after but of course the viewer can already see the outcome of that decision.

I've never looked at any EXIF data from any image and was able to use it for anything useful, especially when it came to deciding what & how to shot an image.

Ultimately, the only thing that matters to me is the visual impact from an image I have taken or from one taken by somebody else. I couldn't care less what f number was used or how long it took to expose the scene.

Of course, some will be totally absorbed by EXIF data as if it will lead one to a higher level of enlightenment. If I want to get excited by numbers, I'll take another peek at my paystub.

G2

Not completly true, as that info can tell you what camera and lens was used, which could make a difference to how you rate the image.

[grahamhgraham]

I couldn't care less what camera was used. Or what the f stop was. Or the length of exposure. It makes absolutely no difference to the impression an image will make upon me. And it's not the camera that takes the picture, it's the photographer. All the camera does is record some data so the photographer has something to process.

Look at it this way; when you watch a program or movie on the telly or at the cinema, would knowledge of the type of equipment used to make it, substantially expand your visual experience & understanding of the theme & plot?

Didn't think so.

[donoreo]

Originally Posted by grahamhgraham

Look at it this way; when you watch a program or movie on the telly or at the cinema, would knowledge of the type of equipment used to make it, substantially expand your visual experience & understanding of the theme & plot?

Didn't think so.

To other people in the industry, yes. Same applies with showing photos to photographers, a lot of them really are interested in that info.

[rbarry]

I find exif information very useful.

This website and forum is a great resource for information and knowledge. If it were just a showcase gallery then exif information would be less relevant. If the intention of not publishing exif information is to protect your work from scrutiny then that's fine, but I would prefer that someone could get the benefit of getting a glimpse into how the image was captured. That way we can learn from each other without having to ask what the aperture, shutter speed, iso setting etc was of an appealing image.

There are exceptions when heavy post processing makes exif info worthless, or the intention of the photographer has not been made clear, but by and large exif information gives a great insight into the fabric of a photograph.

[Cathus]

Originally Posted by grahamhgraham

I couldn't care less what camera was used. Or what the f stop was. Or the length of exposure. It makes absolutely no difference to the impression an image will make upon me.

well that's great for you, you probably have no interest in learning from others.

However, seeing as the main purpose of websites like this is for members & visitors to learn about photography & improve their own knowledge & understanding, deconstructing the way an image was made can be quite important & useful for others to learn. EXIF data can provide some information which is useful to others

Originally Posted by grahamhgraham

Look at it this way; when you watch a program or movie on the telly or at the cinema, would knowledge of the type of equipment used to make it, substantially expand your visual experience & understanding of the theme & plot?

No, but I don't watch all movies just to understand the theme & plot, sometimes I want to know how the hell they did that stunt, or what process was involved in making that CGI water so realistic, or how the script was written.

have you never bothered watching the extra feature section at the end of one of those David Attenborough Blue Planet type programmes?

If people just wanted to watch the movie they wouldn't sell so many DVDs with all the bonus features, would they?